Wednesday, December 19, 2018

@@

18 comments:

Jen said...

I stayed with him about half way through....
I get what he means by "shame" in looking, but then when he said it wasn't typical emotional shame, he lost me. shame in becoming part of the scene itself, in losing control of the scene, in going from subject to object? that makes sense.

okay, Sartre talks about subjects fight for power. the 'look' is a force the subject has over the other.
this makes sense.
but Lacan with the 'gaze', and how the object isn't necessarily another person...and the gaze is coming from the world all around...kinda paranoid??
and then he totally lost me at the gaze as objet petit a.
the screen?


-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

Do you feel funny undressing in front of your dog?

The Big Other (aka G_d) is watching...

And you ask yourself The question of the objet Grand A... "chez voui?" (what does He want from me?)

Jen said...

in front of the dog? eh. not really.

so does chez voui go from 'what does HE want from me' to 'what do others want from me?'

Jen said...

because THAT i understand!

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The "right" side of the brain starts with the big question, "What does HE want from me?" and then parses it out to all "others" in sight. When there are no "others in sight" (just "dogs" or "the world") the larger question remains and so we sometimes "perform" for these absent/imaginary "others" to hide our true thoughts/desires.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

The right side of the brain (SuperEgo) is responsible for piecing together the "whole" and placing the subject in relation to others. The left side of the brain (Ego) is pure subjectivity and concerned only with itself and its own agency.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

I suppose that when you pose for the camera, you are offering something "not yourself" for the other to perceive (instead of your true self)... hence the awkward feeling.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

(like the "pervert" answering the question with what he believes the other wants)

You shift "discourse" from "hysteric" to "analyst".

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

...forced "out of yourself".

Jen said...

The right side of the brain (SuperEgo) is responsible for piecing together the "whole" and placing the subject in relation to others. The left side of the brain (Ego) is pure subjectivity and concerned only with itself and its own agency.

-------

i've never heard of the Ego and SuperEgo as left or right side.

Thersites said...

It's a function of hemispheric "dominance". Think of it like the stereo music you listen to. The data from each of our five(+) senses (audio/visual/small/taste/feeling) is processed in singular "mono" form in the seven layer of neocortex of each individual hemisphere, but then is either passed over the campus callosum or remains in the neocortex for further "differential" processing (ie - Stereo). It is here where the "depths" of the data can be compared, explored and understood (and I call this the dominant hemisphere). Audio data is typically left hemisphere dominant while visual data is typically right hemisphere dominant. The "Systematizing" of Superego (figuring out the "whole") is typically right-hemisphere dominant. It get's "Ego" data passed of from the Left hemisphere over the corpus callosum.

Now, there is a "blending" of functions, a mono-Ego stream in the right right hemisphere and a mono SuperEgo stream in the Left, but the comparisons and data extractions of the "subconscious" are performed in separate hemispheres. That's MY theory of mind, anyway, and I'm sticking to it!

Eventually, it all ends up in the "awake" dominant (vs "asleep" dominant in right hemisphere) consciousness in the neo-cortex of the prefrontal cortex (left hemisphere)... where Ego/SuperEgo functions "blend"... but I believe the neurons are organized as Lacan postulated, in a symbolic-language based order.

Thersites said...

Mono=2D (both hemispheres)...Stereo=3D (dominant hemisphere only)

Thersites said...

Sensory Data "gaps" in the dominant hemisphere are filled in with "guesses" (confabulation).

Thersites said...

...which explains the difference between the pure logic of deductive reasoning (left hemi dominant ie-Parmenides) and inductive/intuitive reasoning (right hemi dominant ie- Heraclitus). Between the logic of Parmenides and Heraclitus.

Thersites said...

Erratum - Bad link, above.

-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jew said...

See me. Touch me. ...feel me... ;p

Jen said...

I'm packing for a trip right now but I'll read these good comments later. Have a good weekend!

Speedy G said...

Bon voyage! :)